[Q] Bishoujo = Lolita?

[John C. Watson]

Greetings and felicitations. I am the new keeper of the rec.arts.manga FAQ
The Usenet Manga Glossary, and I am in the process of updating it. I have a
question about one of the sentences in it, and since this is the only hentai
gaming newsgroup I frequent, I thought I'd ask it here.

The UMGlossary's lolicon entry states:

lolicon/rorikon $BB%m%j%3%s^(J

Contraction of "Lolita complex". A Lolita complex (named after the
character in Nabokov's novel) is an unhealthy desire for very young girls;
the Japanese word is more slang and less clinical, but means more or less
the same thing. The sub-genre of H-manga featuring young-looking girls is
known as "loli-manga". In the world of H-manga, the words "Lolita" and
"bishoujo" $BBH~>/=w^(J ("pretty girl") are often used interchangeably.
Compare to "shoutacon".

I am trying to verify the next to last sentence which conflates Lolita and
bishoujo. Can anyone certify to this?

[Nick Jones]

Whilst being molested by an ambiguously-gendered White Mage, John C. Watson

Post by John C. Watson
lolicon/rorikon $BB%m%j%3%s^(J
Contraction of "Lolita complex". A Lolita complex (named after the
character in Nabokov's novel) is an unhealthy desire for very young girls;
the Japanese word is more slang and less clinical, but means more or less
the same thing. The sub-genre of H-manga featuring young-looking girls is
known as "loli-manga". In the world of H-manga, the words "Lolita" and
"bishoujo" $BBH~>/=w^(J ("pretty girl") are often used interchangeably.
Compare to "shoutacon".

The first part of the definition was right, but I've *never* heard 'Bishoujo'
used as a replacement for 'Lolita' (in the context of H-manga or anywhere
else). Also, 'loli-manga' isn't really a common term. I've only ever seen it
used once, maybe twice in all my years on the 'net. So, chop out everything in
the middle and the definition will be fine. :p

-Nick

[John C. Watson]

Post by Nick Jones
Whilst being molested by an ambiguously-gendered White Mage, John C. Watson

Post by John C. Watson
lolicon/rorikon $BB%m%j%3%s^(J
Contraction of "Lolita complex". A Lolita complex (named after the
character in Nabokov's novel) is an unhealthy desire for very young girls;
the Japanese word is more slang and less clinical, but means more or less
the same thing. The sub-genre of H-manga featuring young-looking girls is
known as "loli-manga". In the world of H-manga, the words "Lolita" and
"bishoujo" $BBH~>/=w^(J ("pretty girl") are often used interchangeably.
Compare to "shoutacon".

The first part of the definition was right, but I've *never* heard 'Bishoujo'
used as a replacement for 'Lolita' (in the context of H-manga or anywhere
else). Also, 'loli-manga' isn't really a common term. I've only ever seen it
used once, maybe twice in all my years on the 'net. So, chop out everything in
the middle and the definition will be fine. :p

If you don't mind, I just want to double check the usage of "loli-manga"
with rec.arts.manga, and then I'll rewrite the entry--what you say makes
sense to me. Thank you!

(BTW, checking on "loli-manga" myself via Google and Yahoo! helped me find
two Italian sites and an Estonian one which are using the Glossary--or parts
of it--so some more good came out of it. ^_^ )

[tacoqueen]

<< In the world of H-manga, the words "Lolita" and
"bishoujo" $BBH~>/=w^(J ("pretty girl") are often used interchangeably. >>

They shouldn't be used interchangably. Lolita Complex is a genre that's
dedicated soley to girls aged 12 and under (Shotaro Complex being the male
counterpart, as you know.)

Bishojo and Bishonen are saved specifically for those attractive characters
between 14-22 (might be 14-18). After those ages, they're known as some other
term I can't remember, lol.

But Lolita is only equal to Bishojo by means that they're both female. They're
definetly not the same, though. =)
http://sugandya.us/

[John C. Watson]

On 04/06/2004 17:51, in article

Post by tacoqueen

Post by tacoqueen
<< In the world of H-manga, the words "Lolita" and
"bishoujo" $BBH~>/=w^(J ("pretty girl") are often used interchangeably. >>

They shouldn't be used interchangably. Lolita Complex is a genre that's
dedicated soley to girls aged 12 and under (Shotaro Complex being the male
counterpart, as you know.)
Bishojo and Bishonen are saved specifically for those attractive characters
between 14-22 (might be 14-18).

Adolescents only, I think.

Post by tacoqueen
After those ages, they're known as some other term I can't remember, lol.

Biseinen and bijin, though the latter can technically refer to both genders
as it literally means "beautiful person".

Post by tacoqueen
But Lolita is only equal to Bishojo by means that they're both female.
They're definetly not the same, though. =)

Thanks. I'll be changing this.